Multiculturalism.
Sadly, in recent years, any sort of critique of multicultralism has been the domain of BNP idiots and the right wing of the Tory party. In other words a cover for a thinly veiled racism. In much the same way as the modern fascists use attacks on 'Islam' as a way to legally abuse Asians in general.
I must say right from the off, that I have a number of issues with Islam, (could I be inviting a fatwa here??) almost as many as I have with Christianity! But I shall address these at some other time, lest this become an over religious blog.
However, having said all that, I do feel that the kind of multicultural approach which was in vogue in the English education system over the last 20 years or so does seem to have backfired some what in the light of recent events. The strategy seems to have been to bring people together by increasing their understanding of each other by celebrating particular aspects of their cultures. Thus reducing fear and separation by breaking down barriers to understanding and tolerance.
It all sound very laudable, but there seems to have been a problem, for many people it seems that these 'celebrations' have simply amplified differences between us. Many of them are based on religious festivals and it has to be faced that most 'ordinary' people in the UK are turned off by religion at the best of times. I myself have heard parents muttering about celebrating eid in schools and nurseries whilst Christmas nativity scenes are being taken down in charity shops, so as not to offend other faiths. These people might just be dangerous racists, or perhaps they actually have a point. What really binds people in out inner cities together? Faith, festivals? Well I for one think it is poverty and lack of opportunity and hope.
Perhaps our multicultural approach should have focused more clearly on what people have in common. People in (mainly white) Gipton have far more in common with people in (mainly black) Chapletown and (mainly Asian) Harehills than they do with people in large parts of Wetherby and Boston Spa. The trouble with this approach is that it will lead to questions being asked about the nature of our society as a whole. Marx's solutions may have been proved to be simplistic and in some cases just plain wrong, but his analysis of the world we in the west live in remains as cogent today as ever it was.
The vested interests in our country and indeed in the world will not come up with solutions to problems which involve them losing any power or priviledge. This isn't dangerous lefty talk its common sense. No one ever sees themselves as the problem, or that getting rid of themselves might be solution.
The question I now ask myself, when watch inner cities tearing themselves apart or sad fundimentalists justifying their murder or bleeding heart politicians crying crocodile tears over flood victims, is how can this be changed? Is it just that I am older and less inclined to direct action. How many more summers will I waste my time praying in vain for a saviour to rise from these streets? (thanks Bruce)
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ME MYSELF I
Yours Truly
My Drumming Autobiography
Apologies for spelling, missing persons or events, offence etc.
Born : 4th August 1959 in Worksop
Bands:Exodus 1973 to 1976
Arc Rouge 1976 to 1979
Last Orders 1980
The Resistance 1980 to 1981
Proposition 31 1981 to 1984
3 Millions 1982 to 1986
Eclipse 1985
4 Millions 1986 to 1995
Happy Salad (can’t remember dates – see Phils biog!!)
US 4 1995 to 1997
The Object (of ridicule) 2002 to 2003
The Erics 2004 to the present
Roxyrama 2008 to the present
Splinter 2008 to present
Favourite Drummers: Keith Moon, Topper Headon, Terry Chimes, Dolphin Taylor (TRB), Mighty Max Wienberg.Favourite artists: Springsteen, The Who, The Clash, Deacon Blue, Martyn Joseph, Tom Robinson (and TRB), Be Bop Deluxe.
Favourite Rock moments: Saw Keith Moon play at the top of his game at a gig in 1976. Springsteen at Roundhay Park and Bramall lane (this second gig I saw with Sam (more on this later). The Clash at Rock against Racism gig in London (later featured in Rude Boy film). Meeting my Hero Terry Chimes (Tory Crimes) of The Clash, lending him some sticks, using his kit and chatting with him after supporting Generation X in Sheffield.
Brief History:When I sat down in a physics lab at Morley Grammar School on a wet break time in 1973, I had little idea what was about to happen. Paul Bakes, who was a bass player (because his dad bought him one!) asked us if we would be in the band he was forming. Pointing at each of us in turn he announced that Jeff Long was to be guitarist, Dave Nassur the singer and I was to be the drummer. Exodus was formed, no gear (apart from the bass), no talent, and no gigs. However three months later, after my Dad bought me a drum kit for £25 and we had converted all spare cash into cheap amps and guitars etc. I think I remember Jeff having a cab with two oval ex-radiogram speakers mounted in an old drawer turned sideways. The PA was any amp and speakers not being used for something else. The mics were little plastics ones which came free with the cassette recorders of the time. We hit the stage for the first time at the school 2nd Year Disco. My rock career had started. In truth it was a disastrous gig. I couldn’t even lay down a 4/4 beat back then, but we had all caught the bug.650+ gigs later it still feels as great it did then (and I’ve just about mastered the 4/4).
Jeff Long left to join the army so Exodus was no more. As we all left school Dave, Paul and myself joined forces with the then Morley rock legend that was John Mills. John became the driving force behind the Be Bop Deluxe influenced Arc Rouge. Shortly after this Dave bell was added on guitar. Writing and playing our own stuff, recording a demo (called Aeropilots I think?) and generally playing more gigs than we deserved, I quickly got my act together on the drums when John threatened me with the sack after a crap rehearsal. At the time I remember a great rivalry between us and another local band called Mandarin Rat. Russ Sowden, who later became a close mate and colleague, was a prime mover in that outfit. The rivalry was so intense that John came round to my house and chinned me, because he had found out that Russ and I had been drinking and chatting in the local pub the night before…. I was a traitor…..Lovely lad John……shame we lost touch. NOT. Dave Nassur, the singer, eventually moved to New Zealand. Amazingly I have recently had contact with him through email, it was great to make contact agin after 25 years!!It’s strange really John Mills had been a huge influences on me from 14 to 20, but in the end he turned out to be just the kind of person you should avoid been in a band with!
That’s not to say that he was not a mate though, just a crap band member.
To be honest Arc Rouge was my musical apprenticeship and I am grateful that I learned how important unity of purpose and hard work are in keeping any band together long term.The Resistance and Proposition 31 (Russ, Tony Gill, Sam, Dave Nassur for part of it) turned out to be our response to Punk and New wave. Undoubtedly influenced by The Clash, The Tom Robinson Band and The ‘angular’ bands that Sam loved so much, we were very serious about the writing and recording that we did. Tony is/was a highly skilled bass player; he and I gelled well and over the years became a more than useful rhythm unit. Russ was awesome as usual and Sam made excellent contributions to the song writing, but did have a reputation for putting in annoying ‘widdely’ bits over and over again. He has overcome this habit now; instead he practices them at high volume before the start of any gig!! However because of Sam’s previous work in a top semi-pro club band, he did introduce us to a more professional approach to live work, showing us how to structure a set and the importance of relating to an audience properly. Sam and I still disagree about these things now at Erics gigs, but that is just a reflection of how important these issues are for us. Take note young pretenders.During this period we supported some ‘well known’ acts including Billy Idol (Generation X), Splogness Abounds (2 pints of lager and a packet of crisps please) who featured Captain Sensible on bass, and we took part in the legendary Sheep dog trials (new band nights) at the F Club in what is now the club underneath Break for the Border in Leeds. We wanted to make it big on the back of the New Wave, which launched so many new bands at the time, but in retrospect I think that none of us would really have had the guts to go to London and take the big risks required.
However it was always the live buzz that really set us apart. I think we were searching for a way of performing our stuff that combined entertainment and delivery of a ‘message’. This from that time on, became the single most important aim of my musical career. Sam has summed up this period so well in his biog that really all I need to say is that when I feel a bit guilty about playing covers now, I know that back then we worked so very hard to give it go with our own stuff. Crazy Days.
Should say at this point that I first met Dave and Phil when I was working as a Science technician at West Leeds (boys) High School. Dave was part of a group of lads who used to walk around in RAF great coats. It looked like a scene from The Great Escape or Colditz when they met at break. We got talking at the parties we used to have after School productions and became good mates when he shared a house with my sister Helen and her boyfriend. Not a ménage et trois I hasten to add. At least I don’t think it was………..!?! Phil also got involved in school productions, he was a tall twat even back then. He went off to music college and I didn’t really get to know him as a musician until after I saw him and Dave playing in Monogy/stuff or somesuchlike.Any way on with the bands, I cant leave out Eclipse. Eclipse……….Jesus!! Well, Eclipse was basically The Three Millions with Girls!! I still don’t know what the fuck we thought we were doing. I will spare many blushes by simply saying that there was a lot more interest shown (by the Three Millions) in the three female members of the ‘band’ than there was in the music. Hence a set list including Careless Whisper, Against All Odds and some song by Hazel O’Connor. The girls were Jill Minter, Belinda Burrow and a girl who played the piano (I think Sam might remember her name. Tee hee!!).
The Three/Four Millions was born out of some long chats Sam and I used to have on evenings when I was baby sitting my kids. We covered every conceivable issue, not always agreeing, but a fairly left wing line emerged which in time became the founding principles of the band. Music, Politics and Insanity was the motto. This was proudly emblazoned in red on our yellow t-shirts.As Three became Four, John Hiley joined on guitar (later to be replaced by Russ Sowden) and Dave became the sound engineer. The band was very popular, the message and the performance seemed to appeal to a wide range of people and the gigs just kept coming in.During this time, Sam, Steve (my brother who played bass in the Millions) and I went to see Bruce Springsteen and the E street band at Bramall Lane in Sheffield. This gig changed everything, at least that’s the way I see it . On the day it was pissing it down with rain, Bruce played a blistering first set to the assembled 35000. It was good but something was missing. As he left the stage, between the two sets he traditionally plays, Bruce said “we’ll be back in 20 to lay some serious rock n roll on ya!”. He was as good as his word. Nearly 2 hours of it, virtually no gaps between the songs, everyone in the stadium dancing (even the police!). He mixed his own crowd pleasers with rock classics. This was the way to do it. Rock music as celebration, entertainment, value for money and something to remember. I don’t remember the brilliance of the singing or the solos or the technicality of the drumming, it was just the best gig I had ever been to! We lapped it up. This was the way to do business with an audience and its how WE have tried to do it ever since.
Trying to describe The Four Millions thing is difficult, all I can say is that we still bump in to people for the first time now, who fondly remember the band. Crusher was recognised at a rugby match in Wigan as “t’singer int’ t’four millions” and I was recognised (twice) at Glastonbury by people from Oswaldtwistle (See! Sam said we were legends there!)When Russ started work at the Halifax bank a few years back, on first meeting his boss the guy began bowing saying “we’re not worthy, its one of the bloody Four Millions”.Although we were getting lots of gigs, sometimes playing three times a week, we eventually stopped rehearsing and as Sam has said things went a bit stale. The Four Millions slowly fizzled out and US4 was formed. It was wonderful to start a rhythm section with Dave we seemed to ‘click’ very quickly. Dave has a real enthusiasm for being in a band and this rubs of on me. In the years I was out of touch with the band I really missed his friendship. Anyway,the band was good and again we played some great gigs, but it was always a compromise for Sam musically, as he didn’t have the support on guitar that he needed (especially after playing with the likes of Russ!). However it is important to say that the root cause of Sam and I falling out was not musical or about the band. We are both very strong personalities and things were said and done which left no way back and bridges burned. In the end perhaps we needed some time apart?But not the years it turned out to be!
Whilst all the above was happening Dave and I had also joined a band called Happy Salad. Phil was the main songwriter although we all contributed in terms of the arrangements and I even wrote some lyrics! This was where Dave and I cemented our musical understanding, we seemed to have a feel for the right stabs and syncopation to keep the rhythm solid but interesting. Neither of us are great muso’s but together we are a force to be reckoned with. Also Happy Salad increased my respect for Phil as a musician and performer, he was a bit quieter and thoughtful than I was used to, but he certainly knows how to rock and despite the bands weaknesses, we all learned a lot and had some good gigs.During the time I was semi-retired from the Leeds covers band music scene, I played in a fly by the seat of your pants, under rehearsed unit called Object of Ridicule. Well we were! The band had me, Alex Kershaw from US4 and Neil Corbet (amazingly a relative of the Sooty Show Corbets!!) on bass. We played some gigs and I sank lower and lower behind my kit. I suppose at least it kept me vaguely in touch with live music but the only one with any real enthusiasm was Neil. He’s a great bloke and is now playing in a real band, good luck to him!
So as I have said, I had no contact with The Erics over a number of years (5+ I think?). During this time I had been wrestling with a number of personal issues which needed to be dealt with. Then out of the blue, in November 2003, Ruth and I received an Invitation to Dave and Linda’s 10th wedding anniversary bash. We talked about going for hours and decided that we probably wouldn’t. Then we got a follow up email, it seemed like an honest attempt to start to put things right between us all, so we decided to go.I had heard, through friends who knew the band, that Nick was leaving for New Zealand, but I had no idea when or what the band had arranged for when he went. As it turned out Dave and Linda welcomed us at the ‘do’ and immediately put us at our ease, Dave gave me a hug which nearly killed me. I realised than how much I had missed the big get! Then Sam came over and we chatted for a minute or so about what had been happening, then Sam said “Nick is leaving” I said “yeah I’ve heard”, he said “Know any good drummers” and of course, I said “ well there’s ME”. That was it we both smiled and knew right away that things would be ok.Phil arrived later and seemed to be beaming as he welcomed me back to the fold. Nick was also pleased that his place was been taken by someone he knew and who would enable the band to carry on pretty much as it had been.
The rehearsals went well very well and most readers of this will know the rest. Loads of gigs, a noisier drummer, a rockier edge to the material etc etc. The issues which had led to me and Sam and Dave falling out were dealt with over a couple of pints in the New Inn, as Sam has said it all seems petty now, but I think our relationships are all the stronger for having been through what we have together.
As we have gigged and played our hearts out over recent years, all the current members of the band (Dave Wilkinson or little sexy dave as he is widely known – joined in 2007 when Phil left) have had their eyes on other projects to stretch themselves musically. We have reduced the number of gigs The Erics play and I have taken advantage of this to join two further band. First is a Roxy Music tribute band called Roxyrama and also a band called Splinter which plays a similar sort of set to The Erics but tends to concentrate of more corporate/weddings/birthdays sort of gigs. These are exiting times for me as a musician nd I am enjoying every minute of it!!
Born : 4th August 1959 in Worksop
Bands:Exodus 1973 to 1976
Arc Rouge 1976 to 1979
Last Orders 1980
The Resistance 1980 to 1981
Proposition 31 1981 to 1984
3 Millions 1982 to 1986
Eclipse 1985
4 Millions 1986 to 1995
Happy Salad (can’t remember dates – see Phils biog!!)
US 4 1995 to 1997
The Object (of ridicule) 2002 to 2003
The Erics 2004 to the present
Roxyrama 2008 to the present
Splinter 2008 to present
Favourite Drummers: Keith Moon, Topper Headon, Terry Chimes, Dolphin Taylor (TRB), Mighty Max Wienberg.Favourite artists: Springsteen, The Who, The Clash, Deacon Blue, Martyn Joseph, Tom Robinson (and TRB), Be Bop Deluxe.
Favourite Rock moments: Saw Keith Moon play at the top of his game at a gig in 1976. Springsteen at Roundhay Park and Bramall lane (this second gig I saw with Sam (more on this later). The Clash at Rock against Racism gig in London (later featured in Rude Boy film). Meeting my Hero Terry Chimes (Tory Crimes) of The Clash, lending him some sticks, using his kit and chatting with him after supporting Generation X in Sheffield.
Brief History:When I sat down in a physics lab at Morley Grammar School on a wet break time in 1973, I had little idea what was about to happen. Paul Bakes, who was a bass player (because his dad bought him one!) asked us if we would be in the band he was forming. Pointing at each of us in turn he announced that Jeff Long was to be guitarist, Dave Nassur the singer and I was to be the drummer. Exodus was formed, no gear (apart from the bass), no talent, and no gigs. However three months later, after my Dad bought me a drum kit for £25 and we had converted all spare cash into cheap amps and guitars etc. I think I remember Jeff having a cab with two oval ex-radiogram speakers mounted in an old drawer turned sideways. The PA was any amp and speakers not being used for something else. The mics were little plastics ones which came free with the cassette recorders of the time. We hit the stage for the first time at the school 2nd Year Disco. My rock career had started. In truth it was a disastrous gig. I couldn’t even lay down a 4/4 beat back then, but we had all caught the bug.650+ gigs later it still feels as great it did then (and I’ve just about mastered the 4/4).
Jeff Long left to join the army so Exodus was no more. As we all left school Dave, Paul and myself joined forces with the then Morley rock legend that was John Mills. John became the driving force behind the Be Bop Deluxe influenced Arc Rouge. Shortly after this Dave bell was added on guitar. Writing and playing our own stuff, recording a demo (called Aeropilots I think?) and generally playing more gigs than we deserved, I quickly got my act together on the drums when John threatened me with the sack after a crap rehearsal. At the time I remember a great rivalry between us and another local band called Mandarin Rat. Russ Sowden, who later became a close mate and colleague, was a prime mover in that outfit. The rivalry was so intense that John came round to my house and chinned me, because he had found out that Russ and I had been drinking and chatting in the local pub the night before…. I was a traitor…..Lovely lad John……shame we lost touch. NOT. Dave Nassur, the singer, eventually moved to New Zealand. Amazingly I have recently had contact with him through email, it was great to make contact agin after 25 years!!It’s strange really John Mills had been a huge influences on me from 14 to 20, but in the end he turned out to be just the kind of person you should avoid been in a band with!
That’s not to say that he was not a mate though, just a crap band member.
To be honest Arc Rouge was my musical apprenticeship and I am grateful that I learned how important unity of purpose and hard work are in keeping any band together long term.The Resistance and Proposition 31 (Russ, Tony Gill, Sam, Dave Nassur for part of it) turned out to be our response to Punk and New wave. Undoubtedly influenced by The Clash, The Tom Robinson Band and The ‘angular’ bands that Sam loved so much, we were very serious about the writing and recording that we did. Tony is/was a highly skilled bass player; he and I gelled well and over the years became a more than useful rhythm unit. Russ was awesome as usual and Sam made excellent contributions to the song writing, but did have a reputation for putting in annoying ‘widdely’ bits over and over again. He has overcome this habit now; instead he practices them at high volume before the start of any gig!! However because of Sam’s previous work in a top semi-pro club band, he did introduce us to a more professional approach to live work, showing us how to structure a set and the importance of relating to an audience properly. Sam and I still disagree about these things now at Erics gigs, but that is just a reflection of how important these issues are for us. Take note young pretenders.During this period we supported some ‘well known’ acts including Billy Idol (Generation X), Splogness Abounds (2 pints of lager and a packet of crisps please) who featured Captain Sensible on bass, and we took part in the legendary Sheep dog trials (new band nights) at the F Club in what is now the club underneath Break for the Border in Leeds. We wanted to make it big on the back of the New Wave, which launched so many new bands at the time, but in retrospect I think that none of us would really have had the guts to go to London and take the big risks required.
However it was always the live buzz that really set us apart. I think we were searching for a way of performing our stuff that combined entertainment and delivery of a ‘message’. This from that time on, became the single most important aim of my musical career. Sam has summed up this period so well in his biog that really all I need to say is that when I feel a bit guilty about playing covers now, I know that back then we worked so very hard to give it go with our own stuff. Crazy Days.
Should say at this point that I first met Dave and Phil when I was working as a Science technician at West Leeds (boys) High School. Dave was part of a group of lads who used to walk around in RAF great coats. It looked like a scene from The Great Escape or Colditz when they met at break. We got talking at the parties we used to have after School productions and became good mates when he shared a house with my sister Helen and her boyfriend. Not a ménage et trois I hasten to add. At least I don’t think it was………..!?! Phil also got involved in school productions, he was a tall twat even back then. He went off to music college and I didn’t really get to know him as a musician until after I saw him and Dave playing in Monogy/stuff or somesuchlike.Any way on with the bands, I cant leave out Eclipse. Eclipse……….Jesus!! Well, Eclipse was basically The Three Millions with Girls!! I still don’t know what the fuck we thought we were doing. I will spare many blushes by simply saying that there was a lot more interest shown (by the Three Millions) in the three female members of the ‘band’ than there was in the music. Hence a set list including Careless Whisper, Against All Odds and some song by Hazel O’Connor. The girls were Jill Minter, Belinda Burrow and a girl who played the piano (I think Sam might remember her name. Tee hee!!).
The Three/Four Millions was born out of some long chats Sam and I used to have on evenings when I was baby sitting my kids. We covered every conceivable issue, not always agreeing, but a fairly left wing line emerged which in time became the founding principles of the band. Music, Politics and Insanity was the motto. This was proudly emblazoned in red on our yellow t-shirts.As Three became Four, John Hiley joined on guitar (later to be replaced by Russ Sowden) and Dave became the sound engineer. The band was very popular, the message and the performance seemed to appeal to a wide range of people and the gigs just kept coming in.During this time, Sam, Steve (my brother who played bass in the Millions) and I went to see Bruce Springsteen and the E street band at Bramall Lane in Sheffield. This gig changed everything, at least that’s the way I see it . On the day it was pissing it down with rain, Bruce played a blistering first set to the assembled 35000. It was good but something was missing. As he left the stage, between the two sets he traditionally plays, Bruce said “we’ll be back in 20 to lay some serious rock n roll on ya!”. He was as good as his word. Nearly 2 hours of it, virtually no gaps between the songs, everyone in the stadium dancing (even the police!). He mixed his own crowd pleasers with rock classics. This was the way to do it. Rock music as celebration, entertainment, value for money and something to remember. I don’t remember the brilliance of the singing or the solos or the technicality of the drumming, it was just the best gig I had ever been to! We lapped it up. This was the way to do business with an audience and its how WE have tried to do it ever since.
Trying to describe The Four Millions thing is difficult, all I can say is that we still bump in to people for the first time now, who fondly remember the band. Crusher was recognised at a rugby match in Wigan as “t’singer int’ t’four millions” and I was recognised (twice) at Glastonbury by people from Oswaldtwistle (See! Sam said we were legends there!)When Russ started work at the Halifax bank a few years back, on first meeting his boss the guy began bowing saying “we’re not worthy, its one of the bloody Four Millions”.Although we were getting lots of gigs, sometimes playing three times a week, we eventually stopped rehearsing and as Sam has said things went a bit stale. The Four Millions slowly fizzled out and US4 was formed. It was wonderful to start a rhythm section with Dave we seemed to ‘click’ very quickly. Dave has a real enthusiasm for being in a band and this rubs of on me. In the years I was out of touch with the band I really missed his friendship. Anyway,the band was good and again we played some great gigs, but it was always a compromise for Sam musically, as he didn’t have the support on guitar that he needed (especially after playing with the likes of Russ!). However it is important to say that the root cause of Sam and I falling out was not musical or about the band. We are both very strong personalities and things were said and done which left no way back and bridges burned. In the end perhaps we needed some time apart?But not the years it turned out to be!
Whilst all the above was happening Dave and I had also joined a band called Happy Salad. Phil was the main songwriter although we all contributed in terms of the arrangements and I even wrote some lyrics! This was where Dave and I cemented our musical understanding, we seemed to have a feel for the right stabs and syncopation to keep the rhythm solid but interesting. Neither of us are great muso’s but together we are a force to be reckoned with. Also Happy Salad increased my respect for Phil as a musician and performer, he was a bit quieter and thoughtful than I was used to, but he certainly knows how to rock and despite the bands weaknesses, we all learned a lot and had some good gigs.During the time I was semi-retired from the Leeds covers band music scene, I played in a fly by the seat of your pants, under rehearsed unit called Object of Ridicule. Well we were! The band had me, Alex Kershaw from US4 and Neil Corbet (amazingly a relative of the Sooty Show Corbets!!) on bass. We played some gigs and I sank lower and lower behind my kit. I suppose at least it kept me vaguely in touch with live music but the only one with any real enthusiasm was Neil. He’s a great bloke and is now playing in a real band, good luck to him!
So as I have said, I had no contact with The Erics over a number of years (5+ I think?). During this time I had been wrestling with a number of personal issues which needed to be dealt with. Then out of the blue, in November 2003, Ruth and I received an Invitation to Dave and Linda’s 10th wedding anniversary bash. We talked about going for hours and decided that we probably wouldn’t. Then we got a follow up email, it seemed like an honest attempt to start to put things right between us all, so we decided to go.I had heard, through friends who knew the band, that Nick was leaving for New Zealand, but I had no idea when or what the band had arranged for when he went. As it turned out Dave and Linda welcomed us at the ‘do’ and immediately put us at our ease, Dave gave me a hug which nearly killed me. I realised than how much I had missed the big get! Then Sam came over and we chatted for a minute or so about what had been happening, then Sam said “Nick is leaving” I said “yeah I’ve heard”, he said “Know any good drummers” and of course, I said “ well there’s ME”. That was it we both smiled and knew right away that things would be ok.Phil arrived later and seemed to be beaming as he welcomed me back to the fold. Nick was also pleased that his place was been taken by someone he knew and who would enable the band to carry on pretty much as it had been.
The rehearsals went well very well and most readers of this will know the rest. Loads of gigs, a noisier drummer, a rockier edge to the material etc etc. The issues which had led to me and Sam and Dave falling out were dealt with over a couple of pints in the New Inn, as Sam has said it all seems petty now, but I think our relationships are all the stronger for having been through what we have together.
As we have gigged and played our hearts out over recent years, all the current members of the band (Dave Wilkinson or little sexy dave as he is widely known – joined in 2007 when Phil left) have had their eyes on other projects to stretch themselves musically. We have reduced the number of gigs The Erics play and I have taken advantage of this to join two further band. First is a Roxy Music tribute band called Roxyrama and also a band called Splinter which plays a similar sort of set to The Erics but tends to concentrate of more corporate/weddings/birthdays sort of gigs. These are exiting times for me as a musician nd I am enjoying every minute of it!!
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4 comments:
Cheers Sam,
As ever you make a good point. I think one of the things I will get from this blog is the benefit of my friends (and hopefully others too) take on these issues. It is all too easy to trapped in a mind set. Seeing Nelson Mandela released was one of the most movingly human experiences I have had. Separated by thousands of miles but we were all there outside that prison with him in spirit - Amandla!!
OK DUDES
CALM DOWN!!
Tstarnge thing isthat we are notthat far apart in what we are trying to say. Sam, Science is a discipline it is something which humans do, so its not capable of 'producing' anything as such. eg science didnt create the universe. I, like you and Phil for that matter would probably agree that science best describes the processes which brought about the universe etc. However all f us rightly point out that no religious group has a monopoly on the truth. because they are human creations. The same must also go for science. Charles Darwins most fierce critics were other scientists. Just like the irony of religion causing most wars. But it is not the religions that cause the wars its the humans. The posibility of atomic fission was first flagged up by Einstien. Yet we cant blame him for Hiroshima. Phil youareright this is great stuff and Ilove it!!
Ps Sam it was your questions and arguments back in the 'old days' which first challenged my own athiest views.I do hve a type of faith now and I'm sure you ould gree that I'm not sad and diluded. We need to discuss all this further in future posts etc
Felly here. Interesting stuff guys. I like Sam's point about science being based on observable 'fact', whilst religion relies on faith- belief without evidence being required. As a scientist myself I often find myself smiling wryly when people say stuff like '... but there must be a god to make it all happen like this'. I don't agree at all! Lets face it, if the universe were significantly different to how it is, we wouldn't be here to know about it. But this does not mean that a creator is necessary, at least as far as I'm concerned. Another thing about the Christian God that I was brought up with is the idea of Him (sexist!) being omniscient, omnipotent and caring. There's a massive logical inconsistency here. If he knows that bad stuff is happening, then a caring God would need to stop it from happening- but still New Orleans happens. So either God doesn't know about it, or he doesn't care about it, or he can't do anything about it. He can't have it every way here! Having said that,Phil, I had my daughter Christened and might evn be tempted to see if young Alex can enter a church without his head spinning and projectile vomiting occurring- talk about hedging your bets eh? But then, for me, the teachings of Jesus are important and worth obeying. Love one another as you love yourself, seems to me to be the essence of what makes for a fair, society with the right kind of values. I'm sure that there are equally good codes to be found in the Holy books of all proper religions. I teach in a C of E school and I have no doubt at all that the Christian ethos plays a part in helping us have, in my opinion, the best set of kids of any school in the city. We do have kids from other faiths and pretty much everyone seems to get on really well with everyone else and I have never come across examples of the kind of overtly racist comment that you hear daily in other places. One final point on this issue from me,; I really envy people who have faith- what must it be like to know that there is an afterlife? Beats contemplating your atoms ending up spread to the four corners of the Earth and beyond.....
Baz a real beauty of a post.
I cant really disagree with much of what you say at all. I would simply add this.
During my (as Sam has described them)Wilderness years, basically the two years in which I was recovering from a bout of severe depression, I did meet alot of wonderful, liberally minded Christians who far from taking the literal interpretation of the Bible, tried to make its message relevant to todays world. Now I disagreed with alot, perhaps most of what thy said, bur they were not people bent on controlling anyone or trying to take advantage of what was at that time a bit of a sad case(me).
Christianity was a religion (we need to dicuss what this means in future I think) before the collection of books we call the bible was collected. It spead to Rome and had suffered the persecution of its followers for nearly 100years before they started killing each other over what books should be included and what sheould be left out! And of course the real disaster for those who followed the man from Galilee was when the Romans adopted the religion and it became assosiated with power.
From this point your excellent analysis af all religiouns hold true for me.
But we must I feel accept that in those first years just after JofN's death his followers werenot motivated by greed of politics, biut by something altogether closer to their hearts.
The trouble for Christaians now, is that when they try to talk about the message of thier hero they first have to disassociate thenselves from all the history odf crusades, burnings, theft etc not least the likes ogf george Bush and the tv evangelists across the pond.
speak to you soon Baz great to have you on board!!
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